Nebraska's new "safe-haven" law allowing parents to abandon unwanted children at hospitals with no questions asked is unique in a significant way: It goes beyond babies and potentially permits the abandonment of anyone under 19.
I am a Magistrate in a Juvenile Court and I am troubled by the hateful, absent minded responses I have read to a serious and growing problem. Each day we process countless abused and neglected children whose parents, through drugs, alcohol or abandonement have given up on one of God's most precious gifts. Our state like many others is running out of funds to provide substitute care for these children. To open the doors to legal parental abandonement when we become angry or bored with chid-rearing is an abomination. I strongly support safe haven laws for young mothers to give their newborns up to waiting and eager adoptive parents. Our state is about to extend our law from 72 hours to 30 days but not beyond that. Every day in our country we read about babys left in bathrooms or dumpsters who die from these actions. A strong effort to advertise this option in youth shelters and teen hangouts would improve this . Please go the extra mile to share counseling with your child, to seek the help of other family members or the clergy. We are each responsible for our American future and that future starts with our children. TLC Dayton, Ohio.
personally cant believe that is even allowed children are basically reflection of there parents,if the parents didn't want the responsibility of raising a kid,there is such a thing a birth control.
And maybe, just maybe, the teen agers will put themselves in safe havens. Some of them think that their parents are the worst people in the world even though those same parents are trying their best to instill in their children good values, etc. and this sounds like a viable alternative for them. Not all parents are abusive; it's the child that is abusive of the parent.
Remember the old prayer which many a parent would like to say to their children, "just wait until you have children"..
Richie - the women's shelters need to be closed? Abuse doesn't happen? And if it does, tough luck? Hey man...when did YOU stop beating your woman?
Good lord...the nuts come out of the woodwork. Richie's the opposite end of the spectrum from the well-meaning but short sighted folks who wrote the Nebraska law.
To those that are reading this dialogue and wonder about the mental health of your fellow Americans: GET INVOLVED. VOTE. Or surrender your freedom and common sense to both ends of the lunatic fringe.
Sometimes allowing someone to walk away is the most responsible thing. If a person is unwilling or unable to for whatever reason, provide the support for the children or get the support they need for themselves, walking aways is the most responsible thing a person can do. It's sad and I don't think in reality there will be that many people to utilize this new legislation, but the ones that use such desperate measures will have to deal with that themselves, and we, as a responsible society will be there for the children when they need us. Orphanages may be making a comeback....
gjzAs usual the media has sensationalized this and not given the entire store in one "sound bite" or "package" as they refer to the story. I think the state is on the right track to help those parent whom need real help. Another
Sorry to disagree, I have helped raise a couple of great kids, but according to the "Parenting expert" Who ran a class we took years ago, I shouldn't even be a father. Because I called her on all her psych-babble and the fact that she was not a parent. And i truly have seen more rotton kids come out of home that believe in"parenting" rather then just being parents.
you gotta love those "parenting experts"....especially those who have never had children!! ;)
The fact that this idea is even being discussed and debated as a viable "alternative" to the responsibilities and joys of parenthood is disgusting. Coming up with ways for the government to take control of the natural function of parenting says a lot about the capacity for depravity of the wicked human mind. To speak of children as problems and "items" to be tossed around and treated as non-humans with no desire for love and connection even to people who are imperfect parents just blows me away.
Here's a what if: What if people taught their kids to have respect for other human beings? What if people taught their kids (and forced the schools to do so as well) that sex outside marriage is wrong and dangerous? What if people spent less time being self-absorbed and striving after consumables and focused their lives in a way that gave aid and love to other human beings -including their own kids? What if people stopped championing abortion and just learned to say "No" or practiced good birth control?
What if people stopped celebrating the darker parts of their souls (????) and exercised some moral decisions rather than following the lead of social engineering government entities, Hollywood dipstick "starlets", and deluded greedy people who care more for things than for humans?
All wonderful 'what ifs'...but what do you offer those that fall before your perfect world? Harsh judgement? Condemnation? Or can you offer some compassion for those that don't live up to your mighty expectations? We're human, by definition imperfect beings. You don't seem like such a smart cookie; you seem rather harsh and unforgiving. Is that what Jesus would do?
I am not harsh, but yes, I am judgemental. Judgement is what it takes to live in an immoral world and not cave in to it. There was a time in America when the subject of abortion or abandoning kids willfully would not even have come up for discussion, because the idea was so perverse and outside human civility that no one would have thought of it becoming reality.
There is not a person alive today who has not heard of birth control and who does not have access to it. Therefore, people are without excuse. It's not that people don't know how they are supposed to treat their fellow human beings, but that they are hate-filled, self-absorbed, and simply uncaring about others.
Killing and abandoning children is not MY judgement call -it is God's. You may believe in some other "higher being". But it is difficult to imagine that any "higher enlightened being" would not abhor these practices as well. Though people strive to twist the words of the Bible to make it say what they want, the words are clear. If you don't believe in God, or in a "higher enlightened being" then it doesn't matter what I say. But the people who kill, abuse, and abandon human souls will experience the harshness of God's judgement nevertheless.
"There is not a person alive today who has not heard of birth control and who does not have access to it."
If only this were true! And the fact that it isn't, and the fact that you don't need a license to reproduce, and the fact that parenting is not taught, and humans are animals, is the reason a "drop off" program might actually improve some people's lives and the future of our society. There is nothing worse than a child who is not loved and cared for. Go to a group therepy session in a teen psychiatric hospital and see for yourself!!!
In the meantime, we need to get over our victorian objections to teaching reproductive responbibility, INCLUDING TO MALES, making access to birth control and abortion like "handing it out like candy," and TAKING CARE OF THE CHILDREN WHO ARE ALREADY BORN!!!
signed, parent of four wonderful children, one of whom totally rocked my family's world in the last few years. fyi, I was married and using birth control every time I got pregnant. I believe in the right to choose, so I can tell my children I CHOSE to have them. They were unexpected, but wanted.
Hellboy973... lucky you. Your mother didn't chose to abort your little selfish butt. I bet maxxiewillow above would come down on my side of this fence too. I'm sure maxxie would rather have been born than aborted, even with the drunk parents in the deal.
In the bible, and I'm not a bible thumper so don't even go there....
but in the bible, there is a verse that says God knew you even before you were born, when you were being knitted together in your mother's womb. Given how old the written bible is and how little human beings really knew or understood in those days about basic biology, it's hard to fathom that the words in that book were not inspired by God when the writers set them down on the old scrolls. To have an understanding that a baby forming in the womb is already a person in the eyes of God should be enough for any of the rest of us to respect that life as a precious gift, to be protected and nurtured and treasured. To even make an argument for abortion is to show total ignorance for the intrinsic value of each human being, from the moment they are conceived until they die a natural death.
No wonder kids are abused and abandoned. Their parents are just ignorant of the wonderful gift that a child really is. Or as Barack Obama puts it, he wouldn't want his daughters "punished" with a baby in an unplanned pregnancy. How selfish and ignorant can a person be? Pro-choice is a stupid position and totally indefensible.
Not a bible thumper...lol...okay....
Until those of us that abhor abortion and those of us that abhor the reality of it can come together and find a way to reach into the hearts and minds of people, without this moral judgement and holier than thou attitude, we'll never solve the problem. Until you can't argue a point without calling the other side 'stupid' there will never be any hope for an intelligent dialogue. No wonder you fear Obama...the guy actually speaks in nuance and he understands the intellectual middle ground of these arguments, while you cling to the angry fringes. Onward Christian soldiers...until there's no one left.
the truth comes out at the end.... you're an Obama supporter so you can't "see" the truth of using the word "punishment" when referring to a baby. how sad is that?
and give me a break.... our government passes laws all day long that are moral judgments...
murder, rape, child molestation, etc.... what's the difference? semantics, semantics, semantics.... if the logic is flawed, the argument is stupid, plain and simple.
it's stupid to argue for the value of a human life when the person is on death row for a capital crime and then also argue against a human life when it's an unborn baby. a life is a life is a life. all human life should be valued.
your turn...
Cathy
I think the film "Paint Your Wagon" said it best, "the civilized left, they civilized right, 'til nothing was left, 'til nothing was right, they civilized freedom 'til no one was free"
A very good quote and to the point, I fully agree with you.
smrtcookie04 really is a smart cookie
This is a very dumb law. I think todays kids are 100% better then their parents. Stop blaming kids for having bad parents. I was a waiter during college and was shocked by the number of crazy couples that came in with offspring. I felt bad for these kids that kids get trapped with crazy and bad parents. Its a dumb law, but allot of people in this country had no business producing offspring. Yea some kids are bad, but I'll trust young people with my future over dumb old people that have run this country into the ground. Todays kids are the best yet. I own three companies and would rather hire an 18 year old off the street then anyone over 30.
What does it mean to "abandon" a child? If a parent is unable to take care of their children doesn't it seem wise for the state to take over the care of those children? Do we need to wait until the children are abused or malnourished and the state is forced to act? There should be a compelling interest in doing what is best for the child rather than punishing the parents, and forcing them to punish the children in turn.
Thank You Very Much, why can't some people get it? why wait for a child like Caylee to disappear and "mom" can't tell the truth to save her life? when these bad parents or guardians decide to abuse & or kill (as we see happening every day in this day and age) do you think they care that some people are demanding responsibility and good judgment? We can wish and pray all we want for parents to act right but that solves nothing this law may save some lives and that's all that should matter.
Lets give the parents there right's back, I am the oldest of eigth and the only thing that scared me was my Mother and Father getting mad at me and I would not dare tell them if you touch me I will call 911. I turned out to be a good father and all my siblings turned out to be real good parents also. Wake up America, no more goverment telling us what to do because of a few people that are abuser's. WHAT NEXT THE GOVERMENT IS GOING TO TELL US WE CAN'T HAVE KIDS OR MAYBE WHEN WE CAN EAT DINNER? WAKE UP THE LAND OF THE FREE NO MORE, WAKE UP
Kudos to Nebraska!! All I gotta say is, if my kids were still teenagers, I would be movin' to Nebraska!!
Todays kids are the greats generation. I don't have any kids, but my sisters and brothers do and they tell me wait until you get some, your view will change. I'm around young people all the time and they are always polite and respectful. I think it's a bad law, but if it helps a kid get away from bad parents then I'm cool with it.
have some then.
The fact of the matter is that a lot of parents are ill equipped financially and emotionally to deal with children. Institutionalization to me would be the last resort. At least there's a choice in Nebraska.
There's all kinds of children who don't behave or tell their parents what to do. They are the ones who need to be dropped off. Too many kids today are disrespectful and could care less about their parents. It's a disturbing world out there. Plus a lot of kids are abused and someone else should have them, to love, instead of being abused. I'm glad there are states, where one can drop off any child and no questions asked. It could work out for the best.
When the states make it practically illegal to raise your children with any discipline then the next step is for these same states to raise them.
In most states it is illegal to beat your children half to death to make them obey you. There are far better ways to make children behave and the state is not to be blamed for parents not taking the time to learn how to properly raise their children. As a taxpayer I have no interest in paying for the raising children of parents who think that the belt is the only way of educating children. The parents are the ones who need the belt.
They just make more anyway so why let these parents off without telling them if they have another kid they should be given a choice, jail or neutering.
As a 'older' adult I feel sorry for the young parents of today. Society has taken away the 'real' parenting process, ie, "You can't spank a child or you go to jail", "Do not correct a child or you might inhabit his natural growing stages", and etc.
What ever happened to the rule of "out behind the barn" if you got out of line or misbehaved? When I grew up we stayed out of trouble because of the fear of the punishment, where is the fear of punishment in today's children? Children of today are being trained to be utterly useless. A child of today does not know how to spend time alone in his room without the stereo, t.v. video games and cell phone!
Some say parents are so busy making a living they do not have time to keep track of thier children or what they are doing. So ------------ get a smaller house, give up that damn big car, and quit trying to collect all that darn material stuff just to 'keep up with the Jones'. Your kids are going to pot and you are to darn busy to notice! Throw out that t.v., video games and cell phones! Invest in some books and spend time WITH YOUR CHILDREN.
There used to be a comment that came across the t.v. years ago "It is now 10:00 p.m., do you know where your kids are?" Today it is: "It is now 10:00 p.m., do you know where your parents are?"
The children of today are our future. Just take a walk around any mall and watch the parents and teenagers there. You will hang your head in shame . I feel sorry for you all. I am glad I will be gone from this earth when they grow up and take over the mess you parents have left them.
If you have to, give the dang kid to the government! They can't do any worse than you are!
i agree
We are raiseing a nation of sissys and girly boys who dictate to their parents what they are going to do it is to the point that the coming generations will never survive
I assume that this is a conservative sponsored law. It is only typical of conservative folk to dump their problems on the government while taking no responsibility at all for the fact that they are the parents of these children.
typical conservatives "dump" their problems on the government? what planet are you visiting from?
last time i checked, the typical poor HUD housed welfare recipients were voting Democrat because they don't want their gravy train to end. talk about dumping their problems on the rest of us. the Democrats are the kings of big government welfare programs.
you must be kidding.
at least the conservatives are taking some initiative in creating a law like this and trying to address the problem of caring for neglected and abused children no matter what age.
perhaps you should go read the dictionary and look up the word "responsibility"
responsible people don't dump their problems on anyone, they accept the consequences of their actions and make good decisions.
irresponsible people dump on the rest of us.
Cathy in Washington State you have defined the conservative approach to life exactly! Congratulations to you. Conservatives always blame all of their problems on things such as HUD and take no responsibility for their own actions. You may want to look in the dictionary yourself.
Someone has to be on the "conservative" side of things....we can't ALL be on welfare.
I look at this dialogue and it's no wonder we are, as a nation, so confused. The folks that argue that 'hey, drop 'em off, they're misbehaving' are so weird and ugly; '4everamerica', here's a news flash: ALL kids don't behave and tell their parents what to do. But on the other hand you have the bible thumpers (yes, you, Cathy) who show no room for human error or human forgiveness.
Can't you people understand the difference between a living, thinking child and a fetus? The rights afforded to our citizens in the Constitution were to those BORN in these United States; even our slave owning forebears understood the distinction.
I have a young member of my family who is unmarried, working a minimum wage job, and is contemplating going to term with her baby. Thanks to you, Cathy and Cookie, we're going to have the conversation I should have had a month ago; it is STUPID and INDEFENSIBLE to bring a child into this world when you cannot afford to care for it, or do not wish to. I will offer to take her to a place that can offer her child up for adoption, but that is her call, not mine. Thanks for igniting that flame under me: I had resisted getting involved. But thanks to your dour, sanctimonious screeching, I realize that I must stand up for common sense.
Dear Hellboy973,
You don't know me, so I'll tell you a little bit about my experience and perhaps you will understand why I'm saying the things I'm saying.
1) I was a single mother who found herself unexpectedly pregnant.
2) I knew ahead of time that if I ever became pregnant that I would have the child.
3) I raised my daughter without ever going on any kind of public assistance and she is a happy, healthy and successful adult, now a married mother of one and is pregnant with her second child and she and her husband are wonderful parents.
4) When she was five years old, I chose to live a totally celibate lifestyle for three reasons, based on the following statistics: The most dangerous place for a child in America today is in the womb because they have a 1/3 chance of being aborted; the second most dangerous place for a child in America today is in the home of a man who is NOT their biological father because of child abuse and injuries and the last reason I chose to remain totally celibate while raising my daughter to adulthood was because I was the only parent she had and I took the responsibility seriously to the point that I was not willing to risk my health or hers by risking another pregnancy with anyone who wasn't her biological father and by putting my own health at risk for STDs or AIDS. When my daughter was young, only 1 in 10 people had genital Herpes, which is incurable. Now it's 1 in 5. Because of my decision, I have no fear of any of these issues and I'm here for my daughter and new son-in-law and for my new grandchildren.
You are right when you say that I'm not perfect. God knows I'm definitely not perfect, not even close. But in this one thing, this role of being a good mother, I have put my best efforts into the task and it is the one thing of which I am most proud and most passionate.
I don't really care what people do for a living, how much money they make, what kind of car they drive or any of those superficial things. I don't care what religion they profess or what political party they belong to or even how smart they are. I measure people by how well they handle the responsibilities of parenting. That's my ruler. I think it's a pretty good one.
And I don't tolerate cheating on the test by getting an abortion when you screw around and screw up. I think people should be responsible for their actions and repay the debt they owe their own parents for the lives they were given. We all owe a debt to society for making the sacrifices necessary to get each and every one of us safely into adulthood, for raising the crops that fed us, for building the schools where we learned, for serving in the military to protect our freedoms, etc. Having a child and bringing that baby up successfully is the most rewarding experience anyone can have, no matter how old they are when they start and no matter how unexpected, unplanned or unfortunate the surrounding circumstances are at the beginning. All of it can be overcome and great joy can be had when a baby comes into a persons life.
Don't ever think of a baby in the womb as anything less than an absolutely beautiful gift. That's the problem in a nutshell. Too many people have been brainwashed to think less of the unborn simply because they are the unborn. You were once an unborn baby too. Nobody writing in this forum was aborted.
A baby in the womb is not a gift if the girl was raped or molested! Stand on your judgemental ground and look down on those different than you all you like. It is between the woman who has an abortion and her God, not your flapping gums!
I have to agree with "mom of the past". I'm a middle mom, one teenager left at home and I'm not 50 yet, but I spanked my kids when they needed it and would not hesitate to do it all again pretty much the same way. I sure could have used a respite like this for my oldest girl, though. She was a handful from 12 on up - still is and we get along best 1000 miles apart. I agree that sometimes there needs to be a safe place to put the horrendously unruly teen who constantly disrupts the rest of the household, but I can also see lazy parents abusing it. There needs to be rules for this to work, like a limited number of stays, mandatory counseling, parenting classes, etc. You get the picture. This should be part of a solution, not and end-all to a potentially fixable problem.
I think that this law goes too far it really is a law for people to just get rid of their kids. No offense, but I don't see how getting rid of your child in such a manner is easy for either for child or the parents. It really brings up the issue of whether or not this is considered cruelty to children and an easy out for parents who don't want to take the responsibility for their actions of bring a person into this world.
I'm sure that there are many who will disagree with my points, but I think such laws treat human life as if you were getting rid of some junk car or other unwanted items. Sure there are times when a child can be hard to handle and raise, but that is a part of parenthood and no one said it was going to be easy.
I read a few replies to this question and there are some sick people out there as well. Some the comments only reinforces that some people should never have children and should never be allow to hold political office and make up laws that endanger children. I wonder if we as a nation have gotten to the point that we scream for the rights of children and use the political slogans of we have to do this for the sake of our children and at the same time treat children as nothing more that disposable items and campaign slogans. What a sad nation and people we have become.
Paul Orlando
I think this is great because there are so many kids that are being abused and its sad. But, I really don't think alot of abusers especially child molestors will drop off their victims. alot of these abusers enjoy the power of intimidation and the sexual abuse. It should expand to children that if they are being abused, they could stay at their school and not be forced to go back home and have a full investigation and give the child the option of returning because I am tired of hearing about kids being beatened and they go to school and feel they have no where else to go, they feel trapped and are trapped to go home to evil people. I still think about a little girl in Atlanta, Ga whose parents, her biological father and step mother, who were large intimidating adults, would beat her and they killed her by tying her up in the gararge and beating her the whole day. Afterwards, people said they would see bruises at school but didnt say anything. I truly believe that if this child had of known that she could have told her teacher and did not have the fear of being returned at that moment, that she would have felt secure to tell someone. We have to remember these abusers, not parents because parents don't abuse, and these criminals use fear. They tell the child where are you going to go, who is going to keep you, you will break up the family, etc where the victim/child has no way out that they can percieve. We all perish for the lack of knowledge. We provide shelters for abused women, why should these children, victims of crime, have to wait before an hesistant adult hears their screams enough and call or until the sexually abused child becomes pregnant or a STD. I still tear up about the little girl in Atlanta and cant watch the news til this day from hearing about the horrors of abused children. I am in the process of becoming a foster parent and pursuing to adopt. This is my part. I know there will be some abuse of this system by some rebellious teens, but we can't let this stop us from trying to save at least one child.
what do you all expect? We gave our legislators full reign to develop laws whereby being a parent now means just a means of financial support. We can't spank our kids for fear of arrest and these ungrateful kids know this and take FULL advantage of this.
our government has taken away a parents right to be a parent. So, uncle sam is basically declaring itself big daddy. in a nutshell.
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