Nebraska's new "safe-haven" law allowing parents to abandon unwanted children at hospitals with no questions asked is unique in a significant way: It goes beyond babies and potentially permits the abandonment of anyone under 19.
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This seems a double edged sword .....
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There is nothing funny about watching your child fail in life. It is so upsetting and I wish people like you wouldn't laugh about it or make light. In our community. so many teens have been lost to suicide and automobile accidents that it is impossible for me to laugh or feel torn in any way that parents and teens right now need help from the school administrators to the community of parents and adults around them. Maybe you could have a positive effect on a teen that a parent or teacher can't. We should really pull together on this or lose a generation of bright, sensitive minds.
Would not suggest otherwise. Particularly as one of my children is schizophrenic.
There is a double edge sword aspect to this, whilst it will depend on circumstances, there can be situations where the existence of the facility can provide an easy solution for some. Only time will tell how much of that is reality.
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Why should parents be able to drop off their kids ? After all it is the environment that a child grows up in that models how he is( except for children that are born developmentally challenged. ) So what is this ,you- as a parent were not a good role model for your kids so you abandon them due to your mistakes? Maybe instead of spending so much time looking at the negative start praising your childre and they may respond to that! Have you them to a physician to see if they suffer from a medical condition.
Hmm they have said that this is the age of disposeable everything I did not think that it meant our most precious resource being children were disposeable too!
You who think that kids should be abandoned do not ask your kids what they think they may help pass a law allowing them to abandon parents!
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I agree with you, Can Girl, insofar as parents must assume responsibility for their children. Certainly there is no circumstance in which a child should be deemed "disposeable." However, many of the mothers that abandon their children are young, unwed, minority and/or poor. The safe haven laws were designed to provide an alternative to abandoning a child (typically newborns or infants), or worse yet--infanticide.
Ive done alot of pro bono Family Law work for indigent women. More often than not the legal issues are paternity and/or child support, rather than dissolution of the marriage and distribution of marital assets, i.e. they dont have the Christie Brinkley problems. Which tells me poor, young mothers have the double burden of getting help raising their kids and knowing where to turn to get that help. They can get pretty desparate.
I'm in Massachusetts, where the safe haven laws do not sanction or condone abandonment at 19 yrs of age, and I havent read the referenced Nebraska statute; but, in the event such a statute should be implemented by a court, I'm sure it would be under very extraordinary circumstances. For one thing, 19 yr olds are already emanciated under most state laws. For another, there are criminal laws that would take over, should a 19 yr that still resides with its parent should be abused.
I wouldnt worry too much about this law being abused, in this extreme form. We should be more concerned with the societal causes that would drive a young mother to abandon or murder her baby.
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It sounds harsh, but the law was developed to keep an angry parent from harming the child. The other side of the coin...some children are actually abusive, and assault the parent...perhaps a way out for the parent?
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I think we need to focus on the parents as well as the kids because it was not society who choose to have these kids so they could be dropped off because they got tired of parenting or they had to many kids and don't know how to shut down their legs. Let's look at solutions and just dropping off your problems on society isn't fair to the world. I say lets bring in resources to deal with parenting. For example if your child gets into trouble lets bring in the family to psychologist and see where the problem lies in the family structure.
I believe that when a person is educated then they make better choices. Then why doesn't the society put emphasis on making these parents get more education to deal with their child. If the child needs punishment then the parents of that child have to contribute back to society at getting what it takes to make it a safer & healthier environment.
I have worked in Special Education for 4 1/2 yrs. and usually their is some Special Ed. genes in the Family Tree that has made this child the way he/she is functioning in society. Yes I do believe we the people of this nation can help out but the parents were given these kids because most of the time they needed responsibility in there lives and then their are the parents who planned how many kids they were going to have & stuck to that plan (this is rare with people without educational background).
I know my comments will cause people to react but if I was so wrong in my statement then ask people around you why they became parents or was their children by accident because of the heat of the passion. Most people I've come into contact needed responsibility in their lives or a purpose to be a female or male. That's a sad commentary on a person's wealth to society. The truth hurts when you look at your own self. DON'T BLAME THE KIDS AS THEY SAY I WASN'T ASKED TO BE BORN think about it Parents they do have a point.
Regina, in Massachusetts, where I practice family law, we have mandatory parenting classes for every couple seeking a divorce that involves custody of minor child(ren). No judgment of divorce will be entered unless and until both parents submit the certificate that they have attended these classes. They are state-run courses and the parents pays for the classes (indigent mothers can get waivers of fees). I think its a rational way of dealing with the need to educate parents. The draw back is that you have to wait until the couple is divorcing to compell the parents to take classes on how to be a parent!
Not to get off on a tangent, but the right to have children is one of those constitutionally protected rights, so things like forced sterilization are kept under check. The downside is that there is no provision that specifies the quality of parenting a party must maintain. Terms like "abuse" and "neglect" are very broad and subject to the interpretation of state agencies, courts and even individuals. (My daughter thinks that not having $1000 a month to shop at Juicy Couture is abusive!!!). Single mothers who work two jobs have been found guilty of "neglect" of their children.. To get back to your point, education is a key to better parenting, as it is to pregnancy prevention. But under the current administration's policy of teaching abstinance only, we have seen the rate of teen pregnancies raise and associated with that an increase in child mistreatment , abandonment and infanticides.
Estella, just fyi, the same parenting class is required in Illinois.
Now fo my 2 cents on the story. Kudos to Nebrasks for mesing up. I truely believe that a child needs a parent.
If an adult is not capable or able to show their child love (sometimes even tough), compassion, direction, and safety, I believe the child would indeed be better in a safe program like this.
Massachusetts is a communist country. Only such would force a condition like this on a couple who simply wish to part ways. "Reducation" by the State according to the State's curiculum derived from what? Has anyone done an unbiased study to examine the efficacy of this government intrusion? File for divorce in another state.
It's almost interesting how this could work. Parents droppping their kids off for misbehaving is just an outrage. You have no one to blame but yourself for your bad parenting. There's also the point of abandoning disabled children. Again, not the child's fault. Parents should not be permitted to abandon a child because they are a burden or a financial strain. Perhaps you should have thought about that before you had sex.
To the flip side of this coin... this is great for children who are in abusive homes. A friend or family member could drop them off at a safe haven without having to be the parent and surrender the child to custody somewhere else other than the family who is abusing them. I think this part of it is great if the child sees the potential in getting out of a messy situation. Granted, no one likes foster care, but the alternative of being abused until you are able to live on your own sounds almost decided.
I think Nebraska should definitely tighten up the laws on this. There are WAY too many loopholes in this law and I think it's poor judgment on lawmakers little noggins. Surely, someone else besides the rest of America thought of these possiblities before you enacted the law?
It's a great idea,........... teens today are disrespectful, ungrateful, selfish, self centered monsters. Please save any comments about (the parent should instill these values), parents are working their butts off to keep a roof over many problem childrens heads, and have no recourse other than to murder them and hide the bodies, lol.
If a child/teen, male or female has become a "destructive uncontrollable force" within a family, this might be the right choice, parents can no longer beat some sense ie; (submission to the rules) or they face going to jail.
I was whipped as a child about once or twice a year, it didn't affect me as an adult, but it sure made me pay attention to the rules, ettiquet, that existed in my family and in society at large. I was not spanked after 10 years old, although I could have used one or two more for my foul mouth and behaviors.
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LOL. Brian thanks for the great laugh. I really enjoyed reading your comment. I know a lot of people will not find the humor in this law, and possibly not your comments, but the first thing that came to my mind, as a parent of a teen, when I read the article is, "how far is it to drive to Nebraska from here?"
I am sure that we were all "disrespectful, ungrateful, selfish, self-centered monsters" to some degree as teens. The difference is that we are raising them now, not our parents. Hopefully I will live through my kids' teen years and come out a better person. Have a good evening.
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of course parents could send there child to therapy instead of abandoning or beating them.
Therapy is a joke. I sent my kid to therapy and he ended up playing chess and having his aura massaged...
Okay, a good smack on the a$$ is good for any child. It hurt my ego, but that was the point. At 17, I got smacked across the face for telling my mom to stop being such a b!$%h. I deserved it. I turned out okay too. I don't fear going to jail because I spanked my child. I think people have calmed down from that fear. As the gen x-ers become parents, we see the brats of those that had children between when we were born and when we were able to be parents and we realize the complete disaster the "don't spank your child, it will hurt their ego" generation has become.
I live in Nebraska and I don't see this law being used as many people have speculated in these messages. I do see it being threatened in a few parent to teen conversations, but actually being used.....not likely. I think reasonable people live in this state and it will work fine.
No therapy needed, just need to quit overprotecting all these kids. Hell, some of the crap I did as a kid would kill the whiny, lazy turds of today or government would throw the parents in jail.
I work for a school system and at our in-service to start the year, the super remarked about this trophy generation. All the lovely liberal laws that think they have to protect everyone have created this freakin' mess we have now.
We have really tried to identify with our teen who now has a suspended license, flunked some junior classes in high school and has refused to acknowledge drug use, even though she is clearly using drugs. Schools don't help much because they have too many kids like this to deal with. If we could drop her off at a drug treatment facility, we would. Nobody seems to want to help us get her under control and we feel isolated in thinking that drugs, flunking in school and wandering at night without permission including getting so many driving tickets that she is suspended is a problem. Her psychiatrist in Denver, Dr. McGovern, has refused to support us in an effort to have her confined for treatment. Parents who want to control their teens behavior are in the minority and not supported anywhere that we can see.
Obviously it did affect you or you wouldn't have such radical and dare I say ridiculous ideas Brian-328194
While I applaud Nebraska for broadening the protection of all children, not just infants, this will be a daunting task.
First of all, as with every other state, I am sure the foster care system there is overburdened, so where will all these children go? Will the juvenile detention centers turn into glorified orphanages?
Secondly, as the children begin coming into the system how is the state going to address these children's basic needs...i.e...housing, food, clothing, education? Will state taxes be increased? After all, the law is written so that there are no repercussions on the parents.
On the flip side of these arguments there are a few other things to consider. Will parents who cannot take care of thier children actually take advantage of this option? As Brian said, parents these days are so busy working to provide for thier kids, that often children are left to thier own accord.....this of course leads to a variety of problems.....crime, drugs, teen pregnancy, gangs, etc..etc.....could the state actually reduce some of these incidents?
There are pro's and cons on both sides. However, this is a huge task Nebraska is taking on. One Senator said, the law is there, now it's up to the courts to sort it out. In reality is not as simple is that, and I have only presented a few arguments.
Personally, as a single parent for 10 years of three children ages 15 girl, 12 boy, 11 boy, I can honestly say the thought of being able to drop them off has on a few rare occassions looked appealing. While I am an educated individual, with a decent job, it has been a struggle to be the bread winner, the disciplinarian, the cook, the maid, the teacher, the taxi cab....and the many other jobs that come along with being a parent....it's overwhelming. Don't get me wrong, I am not at all complaining.
The traditional family unit has been on a constant decline since the 1950's. Today it is standard for both parents to have to work to provide for thier families, however, with statistics showing that more than half of marriages fail, one can see how that equation adds up to many single family households or blended families which comes with a host of issues. It is no wonder thier are so many parents overwhelmed and so many children who are just abandoned, whether that be emotionally, physically or both.
Perhaps the answer is not to broaden the spectrum of children covered by this law, but rather create programs to support todays family. I think if parents had more support in maintaining the family unit (whatever that unit may be) I don't think they would be so quick to just drop off thier children.
It will definitel be interesting to see how this works out for Nebraska, but more importantly for the children and the parents.
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Cynthia,
I am sorry to hear about your teen and the troubles you are having. I must say, though, that a child with such problems who is still allowed to drive has me stymied. Maybe you should have taken away the keys long before the license was suspended. From an outsider, you aren't a parent, you are trying to be a friend. Bad idea, a kid has plenty of friends, but YOU are the parent! The school, therapist, and "identifying" with your kid is not the answer, being a PARENT is. That doesn't mean yelling or hitting, that means setting rules, parameters, and sticking to them!! No negotiations, the kid has to earn back privileges after proving responsible behavior. Take away the keys, money, cell phone and all phone privileges, make-up, whatever it is that you need to confiscate. Then assign chores and responsibilities for her. She won't like it and will try to make you feel badly, but that is because she has learned how to get her way. If you don't help her to learn respect, responsibility and the other character values that children are supposed to learn, you have not equipped her for life. Yes, YOU, it is YOUR responsibility! You can do it, just keep reminding yourself that she is what is important.
I Agree, I know some will argue that parents should be responsible for their children or seek professional help when a child is out of control and while these are legit arguments, one has to acknowledge that some parents can not afford to do so. Then there's the kid{s} that totally waste every ones time and efforts yet continue down that disruptive road, leaving parents with no other alternative (in their stressed out minds) than the cases we watch on the news. I'm with the senator who said if this law saves the life of just one minor no matter if it be a 19 day old new born or a "19 year old minor" then it's well worth it. What I think some of us need to accept, It's the fact that some parents or guardians can not deal with the stress of a disruptive child or teenager and left with out a legal alternative or safe haven choose a drastic criminal ending. It is easy to say, Parents have to take responsibility no matter what! But this is never going to save parents from committing murder & or child abuse, when left with no way out. Nor will it save the lives of those this law was written to protect.
I agree totally with Brian. This is a great law for teenagers, only. Parents need a threat to hang over the head of any habitual misbehaving teenager, who refuses to straighten up.
Is it just me, or is this article a little short of information? They talk about some people not liking these types of laws. They say it circumvents standards of child welfare. How? Why are they opposed by these adoption groups? It would be nice if the article fully explained the situation.
Some kids do get out of control. I feel sorry for their parents. It isn't necessarily their fault, though sometimes it might be. What are they supposed to do? I am not sure you just get rid of them. But some serious intervention might be in order.
All the monsters in the world started out as children.
Yeah, maybe the parents need to get into some therapy! Babies don't come with a set of instructions when they are born. There are parenting courses, child development courses, communication classes and a plethora of books in any bookstore about raising teens. I hold the parents responsible for what their kids have been exposed to without supervision and tough love. You don't have to teach a teenager how to brush their teeth (if you do you failed as a parent), button a shirt, tie their shoes, or wash behind their ears anymore, now the real test of how much you know about raising kids starts when they are 12! It's wisdom they need not thrown away for someone else to clean up after their parents failure at parenting. We throw our spouses away in divorce at an overwhelming rate, and now we throw our kids away. As a society we are in a loosing battle for stability and security in a lot of our families. I am angered that a law that started out as an attempt to keep newborns out of trashbins, has endorsed getting rid of children we don't want because it might take a little more time, effort, and energy to help them. I shake my head in amazement!
I don't know what state you are in, but in Washington, after your child turns 13, you can not make them do anything--go to therapy, take medications, get medical help, go to school, etc. BUT--if they don't, people like you feel the need to blame the parents, all the while supporting legislation that gives them the rights without consequence. What about the laws that let them act like heathens without consequences to anyone but the parents? What about the schools that tell and encourage our teens they can make decisions that affect their entire lives with their parents permission, knowledge, or approval? What about the therapists that tell your child their normal teenage rebellion, confusion, etc., is not normal, but let's medicate you? What about the communities like in New York that create "safe-havens" for cutters and tell them that is normal. All the while, we as parents, are trying to teach our children right from wrong (as they certainly do not always get the BIG PICTURE at 12), and be supportive of their changing lives and personalities. You should not state that the parents should be held responsible for what our children are exposed to, since most of the crap comes from the schools, our laws, and their friends. I suppose we should go to the schools, where they don't have to allow us due to privacy, to monitor everything?
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Myboogie it sounds as though your state government has failed you. Even if the state says that at age 13 they don't have to listen to you I think its your job as parents to make sure that your kids know that they will do as you say.
Myboogie it sounds as though your state government has failed you. I don't think it matters that your state says a 13 year old doesn't have to listen to his parents, its your job as a parent to make that kid knows that he/she will listen or there will be hell to pay. I grew up in Nebraska, but it was in western nebraska where its a little different. If your parents told you to do something, you did it.
I show up at my daughters school all the time. That's my child and I want to know what she is doing and how she is being taught. The school request we give them a heads up but I never do. I want to see them as they are on a normal school day. Me and my husband will stand out in the hall way and listen for a good 15-20 minute before we let the teacher know we are there. In doing so we have found our daughter was being treated with prejudice and was being spoken to in a very angry voice. Not by the teach but by the teachers helper. My kid is the only white kid in class and has endured some crap. But she says to us its ok I still love Mrs......... please don't be mad at her she is having a bad day. I forgot to mention our daughter is mildly retarded. Talk about a heart of gold. Don't get me wrong she can be a monster when she wants to be .
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Myboogie is completely misinformed regarding the laws of the State of Washington. I am a Washington resident, an attorney, and the father of a 16-year-old child. I make her go to school every day. I make her attend doctor's appointments. I even make her attend church. In every case, I am within my rights as a parent acting within the parameters of being legally responsible for the care, custody, and control of my child. There are far too many parents these days who want to abdicate responsibility and point their finger at legal misinterpretations such as these, or myths such as those that say that you cannot spank or otherwise discipline your child. It is not reality, it is a cop-out. I don't mean to say this is the case regarding "MyBoogie"; as I said, this individual is simply misinformed and spreading that misinformation to others. If you ever have any questions regarding your rights as a parent, I encourage you to check with your State Attorney General's office or local police department.
Yes you are right that more description of the law is needed. People look at our children and then try to tell us we need to discipline them more without even walking in our shoes. They look at these single mothers who can't get a job that pays enough to provide for them and there children and then try to tell them what they should be doing for the children.
Maybe if some of these no-it-alls would take a look as to why our society is in the turmoil it is we could work towards solving this problem.
Look around people, we have been set up to be controlled by the people that are able to influence our legislators. We are being controlled by the people who know how to influence our society by controlling our commodities, whether it be food, fuel, or our currency. They know that by creating turmoil within ourselves it makes us feel powerless to regain control and offer to use ways they can help but in so doing we have to relinquish some of our rights and freedoms that were so nobly fought for when this government was set up. If some of you whiners would have put forth half the effort in trying to keep our monetary system ours with a hard currency backing it instead of giving it away to the private banking elite things would likely be quite different. You ask how??
These are the same people that have controlling interest in our main stream media, have and will continue to influence our daily lives by creating shortages in our commodities. These are the people who have manipulated our governments at both the state and federal levels so as to create hardships and fears in our society to gain more control by offering safety in exchange for freedom. You try to say that we haven't given up ant freedoms and I'll show you how much you are truly blinded from reality. For none are more truly enslaved than those that are falsely believing they are free!! Stand up for your rights and freedoms while there are still some there. Take control of what is happening around you in local, state and federal governments. These people are supposed to be working for us not us for them. If so many are opposed to this new law in Nebraska why was there not opposition to it before it was passed. Why are we not demanding of our congressmen and senators to show us what laws are being presented to the floor for consideration. These people are supposed to be working for us to maintain a society that is free from government control. But there have been so many that have sat back and said nothing until it actually effects them. Society is easily fooled and quick to judge.
In looking as to why some parent(s) might be giving up there children we should look at the reasons the parents are in that position in the first place instead of just blaming the parents. With the inflation rate of our economy, the devaluation of our dollar, unemployment rates continually increasing, demands by our government to increase taxes to pay for our countries debt, it's not hard to see how some parents see no other way out and feel out of control of even the smallest things.
If you were to look at the very reason why we have such problems in our society it can be easily traced back to the implementation of our Federal Reserve System and our income tax system, both being designed, introduced and controlled by people that our not part of our government but want to be the ones that govern. If you doubt these things as truth, please search google for William Cooper. View the documentary of his life and death. View his documentary about his book 'Upon a Pale Horse'. He was a highly decorated military official who discovered things in our government that didn't seem quite right. In researching discovered more which drove him to more research which disclosed more. Please don't believe everything I have to say, research it yourselves, PLEASE. Then maybe you to will want to take a closer look as to why our society is the way it is. You know the old saying "you can't fight city hall" who would want to have you believe that more than the people in city hall.
Being a parent can be testy to teens of any gender...We as parents do the best we can, I would hope for your children, we all direct them throughout their lives to work hard, study hard for the better. If we do well with their up bringing children do very well in my experience ( I have 3...29, 25 and 19) sure they may swerve off a bit at times they are growing and sampling-If one sets good examples through out their lives sometime they will come out of this as a good adult-but we as humans are not perfect-but this is life. Lets all do better and not hold grudges and fight one another, work together. Thats my one wish about about all of this in life!
I think that allowing parents to excuse themselves from the hardships of parenting then should have never became parents period. It is rough to raise kids and make sure they have a roof over theirs heads but my parents did it and so did millions of others. AND yes fear has been instilled into parents for disciplining kids nowadays. I have three kids and no matter how hard it gets giving them up is not an option!!!!!!!
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This entire story takes a single law and throws up 'what-ifs'. What if there is a way to track people, say by names or fingerprints or something, and tell who their parents are? What if the law says, "I'm afraid you left your child at the hospital and they didn't care to take advantage of this safe-haven, so here's your kid back"? Use some common sense and assume, for just a moment, that everyone around you isn't worthless and stupid. Please. We're in America where people are, for the most part, decent and caring. No other country has given even a percentage of their hard earned money to those in need. It would be nice if folks would quit seeing something that has potential to be very helpful and destroy it with possibilities based on a hatred of society.
-Gen.CommonSense
"No other country has given even a percentage of their hard earned money to those in need. "
Are you kidding?!?!?! Many countries besides the US give to those in need. This statement seems completely out of context with the discussion and is patently untrue.
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Agree completely! And in response to other comments, not all teens are "monsters", that is just absurd! In fact, none of them are monsters at all. You were a teen once too remember that one!!!
Your are right kaitech. It is a big job raising kids. I have raised 3 kids and it can also be a scary job! They started that "you can't spank a child crap" when my kids were in grade school. I had to slap my daughter on day and she threatened me that she was going to call the police! I just handed her the phone and I told her to call, and then I told her that she would never threaten me again! She never called the police! And you know what? She grew up to be a beautiful mother with kids and she to smacks when needed! Parents have to be in charge! And some of this crap they watch on tv does not help to raise your child. I don't think that parents should give up on their kids! But I know that sometimes you just don't know what to do with them!
Kids of all ages are abandoned all the time. I brought home a classmate, when we were sixteen, because this boy was beaten badly by his step-father who then informed his mother, "it's either me or your kid" and she choose the step-dad over her own son. My folks had open hearts and a open home but what other options would have or could have laid before this young man? I see all the time, adults wearing the scars o not being wanted as children, having always been told what burdens they were, and I wonder what kind of lives they would have had if they were placed with people who truly wanted them, and appreciated them? How much money could be saved in therapy bills if everyone had the ability to be raised by people who have the means to put the good of the children first?
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The children will just then be raised using taxpayer dollars. A real boon for bad parents.
I witnessed a family fall apart at the seams because the 15-year-old son tore it apart. He stabbed his younger brother, stole a car, broke into numerous houses, escaped from a juvenile detention center and a mental health treatment center, then came home to try to burn their house down, and refused to leave when his parents told him to. He was usually one step ahead of the cops but always came back home one way or another. By law (state of Washington) they couldn't refuse to let him live there until he was 18. The day he turned 18 his father escorted him out at gunpoint, and they had never even spanked or yelled at him while he was growing up. The situation came purely from him. That kid was just evil.
There are always exceptions to the rule, and this kid was the exception. He created a hell on earth for the other people in his family and there was little they could do about it except pray for him to be caught and put away.
This law would have helped that family find relief from a very bad situation. They could have at least changed the locks and gotten a restraining order. A judge wouldn't let them do even those things.
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A boot up the ass would have gone a long way! A spanking or two and getting lined out early in life probably would have taken care of this. Sorry but there is no excuse for bad parenting.
What a sad and horrific story... But you know, these issues affect anyone, at any age... I elect this to be irrelevant.
Lala, I am a teacher and I have seen many, many kids who have had to go live with their friends because they could no longer live at home. I hate to say this, but....whether parents are married or divorced, a mother CEASES to be a mother when she chooses some "live-in" over her own children. I've had young women who were raped by these "step-fathers" or "live-in molesters" and a lot of them gave birth to unwanted babies. We've always had problems with fathers who disappear or abuse their wives etc, but now we have the biggest problem with MOTHERS of children who aren't wanted. They don't feed them, clothe them or take care of their medical needs. Watch the news and you'll see these derelicts. It's disgusting!
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Those who say "there are no bad kids" have no experience with a child like this. There is apparently some genetic abnormality involved with these children. They can't behave any other way. They are a danger to themselves and others. These children are abusive to their family members and anyone else they come in contract with. They are not the result of abusive or permissive parents. They often end up getting killed or killing someone when they get older. Many end up in prison.
People have been complaining about teenagers, since the days of Plato. The surliness of the youth of Athens. Everyone thinks the next generation is worse than their generation. We hear how kids don't come with an instruction manual. They never have. I don't buy the idea that parents can't be everywhere. I'm pushing fifty and take my mother to therapy with me every Thursday and, undoubtedly, carry her around throughout the week. If children are spoiled, it is not their faults. Many parents believe that their children can raise themselves as both work hard so that they can buy the little extras. Granted, this may have been 1982 dollars, but I know of a family that raised two terrific boys, sent them to private school... on a family income of $25,000. No they are not a couple of spoiled brats. Instead, they are both college graduates and professional workers. They've taken nothing for granted.
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The USA has stooped to another level, right along with same sex marriage and abortion. I'm sure our Father in heaven can smell this horrible stink and may he continue to punish our country until we turn away from these evil acts and ask for forgivness as a nation.
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Raphael you forgot to say "your (Raphael's) Father in Heaven." You are one of those sick, crazy people who protest at the funerals of soldiers, aren't you? Our country is a great country, and we are NOT being punished for anything. How little your god is. Keep your god and your heaven to yourself!
Raphael, the last thing we need on this blog is a whack job like you. Please keep your opinions to yourself. You know nothing about God; NOTHING.
Is there a Raphael Phelps? So MUCH inbreeding with them there may be. Stick you your own message board of hate.
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Mom, Dad.... this isn't Disneyland........Mom......Dad...?
Russell, I'm going to sue you! i laughed so hard, I fell off the chair and bumped my head. my lawyers will be intouch! Roflmao!
there's only one thing i can add....
Henry.... don't leave me here with the kids..... HENRY!!!!!
If a child is in danger of being abused this might be a good option. I could see plenty of people taking teens there. Too bad they did not have this law 15 years ago- when I lived there and had teens.
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When I was a teenager, the concept of licensing parents was a hot topic. Who is raised perfectly? This law could help some abused children escape some undeserving parents. Children usually behave the way you either consciously or subconsciously ask them to. The extremes of unmanageable behaviour could have a medical reason, and the parents are too upset or uneducated to find out. Maybe the parent is falling apart and cannot cope. Thankfully none of us is God and therefor we should keep many helpful avenues open for any one in need.
As usual the media has sensationalized this and not given the entire store in one "sound bite" or "package" as they refer to the story. I think the state is on the right track to help those parent whom need real help. Another good solution would be Mandadory Parenting classes for all expecting parents. this would cut down on the need for rescue in future families.
This is insane. The 'safe harbor' laws ensure that babies whose parents have suddenly discovered the difference between wishes and reality will be protected; a much better option than a trashcan or a river. But please...can you imagine the trauma for a small child, unable to give an address but aware of their environment and having bonded with their parents (even if it those parents may be lacking) to suddenly be thrust into a world of strangers and fully aware of the sense of abandonment? Only in the worst cases of abuse could I imagine that this would feel like any kind of relief. And in those cases, the parents are so far gone that it would be unlikely that they would suddenly have some kind of 'awakening' and take advantage of this option. Regarding older kids...well...I just can't see the scenario: 'Yeah, like, I guess I was a pain in the ass, but I live on so & so Lane, and as soon as I get out of here I'm gonna take a stroll over there and ask mommy & daddy just what the hell they were thinking."
Another instance of a good idea being taken to ridiculous extremes.
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A child is NOT like a dog. Abused children remember it their whole lives. Abandoned children can really never feel loved or accepted. Please think before you type.
Wow this is new. It changes alot about being a parent. I raised 4 kids and some days it was so hard but that's part of life. What your now saying is when it gets hard give the kid up. One can only think of what the kids will grow up to be knowing they were just dumped off because things got to ruff. What have we become and who will this change the future. Children are a gift and what the US is now saying is let someone else deal with the problem. We see men like Gary Phelps and John McCain who dumped their kids later to attach themselves for greedy reason. Michael's Dad dumped him at 9 years old now that he won 8 Gold Medals he's taking interviews as if he never left. McCain dumped his kids for a young rich wife and in 2000 Campaign for President asked for the grown children's help. It's so sad to see how low this countries moral values have dropped in just 7 years.
Well this will set up the system to be flooded with out of control kids that their parents cant handle anymore.
Also "dropping off" a kid other than an infant should also have mandatory sterilization, so that way they cannot have more kids to be able to do the same to in the future.
"Also "dropping off" a kid other than an infant should also have mandatory sterilization, so that way they cannot have more kids to be able to do the same to in the future. "
GREAT IDEA! As a mom of one, a great little 18 month old, it really sickens me that people would actually do this to their children. The children they have raised. It's sad enough that people abandon their pets like this. It's so, far much worse with a child. Children are not disposable and if you don't want to take care of a child save the poor child the suffering and get sterilized (or get on some very, very effective BIRTH CONTROL). A much better option would have been to put the child up for adoption AT BIRTH before any attachment was built. That is a much smarter decision in that it's not this "let me just try the baby out and then when they start to become problematic dump them", it's actually giving a home to your child that you know (in advance) you cannot provide.
It sickens me that someone would do this to a child. It's not the poor child's fault they were born to parents who didn't care for them. I just get so upset that people that would do something like this can easily reproduce in many cases. Yet couples I know who desperately would love to be able to have a child of their own are infertile. Injustices.
This makes me sick to my stomach. I cannot fathom that human beings have sunk so low as to be worse "parents" than those of the animal world. But it all started with planting the idea that abortion and killing "just an embryo" was completely moral. Then older "fetuses". The news is full of child murderers and abusers. Now it okay to abandon infants to young adults. Next it will be okay to abandon old folks and the disabled and anyone else society deems a problem or burden. Then it will follow that just exterminating them altogether is an easier and cheaper alternative. Nazis. God help us -only HE can! We have become a self-hating and other-hating species. Sickening beyond belief!
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BRAVE NEW WORLD!!!! Exactly. Huxley saw it all about 80 years ago. If you haven't read it, please do. He didn't miss a thing.
You can't really say that these are worse parents then those in the animal world. If an animal senses something wrong with its young, it will kill it. Now I don't know whats happening all over the U.S. but I haven't heard of that. We are already abandoning "old folks" and the "disabled." We send out parents to nursing homes when we dont want to deal with them and we send state funded care workers to take care of the disabled. So its really nothing that we aren't all ready doing.
Well my parents were drunks, and blamed everything on my brother and myself. I would of loved to been dropped of anywhere. I finally was kicked out of the house when I was 16, this was during the 70's when they discovered swinging and then life really became unbearable at our home.
Please do not put all the blame on the kids, There are some mentally challenged parents out there, who just cause so much drama for their kids. I think this law is good, if it helps just one child from having to live on the streets.
Hmmmm.. interesting.... I wonder if they'd support the notion of handing out condoms and birth control pills like they were candy at Halloween? And do you think they'd amend their new law to include that the parents who drop of their kids are made infertile by the state as a requirement to drop of their kids? As a nation, we seem to be hell-bent on putting band-aids on symptoms without giving a moment's consideration, let alone a solution to the root-causes of our social problems.
In short, we are a foolish species, are we not?
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Maybe we should follow Chinas lead and limit families to only one child. Snip the dad so he can't have anymore children. Then the mother and father can take the time to take care of just one kid and not 5 or 6 running around doing whatever they want.
I wonder... can kids voluntarily drop themselves off at a hospital to get away from abusive parents?
As a simplified law, this one could work, but there are always loopholes. For instance, if a kid is in trouble with the law and the parents are going to held legally liable for damages the kid has done, can they get out of that liability by abandoning the kid at the nearest hospital?
I would love to make a few suggestions in my neighborhood about who should abandon their kids and abandon all hope of being good parents in the process. There are a few kids who could use a way out of a crazy home environment. I tell my dad and my daughter tells me regularly too that we won the parent lottery. I was lucky beyond measure to get the great parents I had as a child and my daughter feels the same way about me. I'm still relying on my Dad's great advice and he's coming up on 77. I'm still remembering my Mom's teachings, God rest her soul. My daughter is almost 23 and we talk on the phone at least twice a week and email all the time. She's on the other side of the Pacific down in New Zealand and our relationship is as strong if not stronger than it was before she grew up and married and moved so far away. I just wish I could have brought up a few of her peer group as well. Many of them had parents that I would have abandoned. Moms and Dads too busy to go to their basketball games or too busy drinking and smoking down at the local bar until all hours of the night. Too bad. Almost every kid has the potential to be a great kid. The parents are the screw ups. But to be fair, most of these screwed up parents had screwed up parents themselves and just fell into the pattern of neglect and abuse of their own children as a result. I just wish they had opted not to procreate. It's a bad cycle that keeps repeating itself and society has to pick up the pieces.
I say, let's let any kid who wants to abandon ship in hopes of finding a better place to mature have the right to do so. I'm not afraid of losing my kid to anyone because she knows I love her more than I love any other human on the planet and I always will. I love my wonderful new grandson too, but he's her child and she's my child and our loyalties are well defined. I love my new son-in-law too, just like he's my own son and that's a great thing.
For those parents who are frustrated in the process of parenting, get some help. Good parenting starts even before the child is born. But if you don't have good parenting skills in place by the time the kid is about 18 months old, you're in trouble. It's pretty hard, BUT NOT USUALLY IMPOSSIBLE, to get a kid to turn around and behave great if they've been "ruined" by poor parenting. Most kids just feel insecure and need solid boundaries to feel safe. It's basically fear that drives them to misbehave and act out. It's a fear of not being loved, of being abandoned, of insecurity and worthlessness. Those are the things that have to be addressed to help teenagers particularly find their way to a healthy and happy life. And instilling a solid faith in God doesn't hurt one bit along the way. It's the best insurance there is against despair and hopelessness. Kids need to know that they are unique and cherished and a valued part of society. So maybe letting parents just abandon them is not such a good idea. But maybe letting the kids chose a safe harbor is a great idea.
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A few unanswered questions in this article. What would be the protocol down the road when the abandoning parent decided they wanted their kid back? Say the parent just wants to take a bit of a break from responsibility and party for a while. Or realize that a kid means a permanent paycheck from the welfare state and decides and decides it is easier then getting a job?
How far does the "No questions asked" thing go? Because the article also mentioned baby sitters have the right to abandon someone elses kid at a hospital. Now just suppose a baby sitter who turns out to be unstable enough to do this to say an infant, is also unstable enough to drive the kid to a hospital 5 counties away so no one recognizes him/her. The no questions asked policy could make it very difficult for the parents to find that child. Especially if this person brought the kid in from out of state. Yeah it might be a stretch but before you pass a bill you have to examine the stretches and have a plan B ready.
I would have loved to been dropped off anywhere when I was a young teen, My parents were drunks and blamed everything on my brother and myself. I was finally kicked out of the house when I was 16 and had to find a way to survive. I was lucky that I was hired for 2 part time jobs and found a cheap apartment.
Some parents are just selfish and only live themselves, I think it is great to have a safe place for those unfortunate kids to be dropped off and looked after. These times are to dangerous for children to be living on the streets,
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smrtcookie04 - I join you in your nausea, but those of us in the pro-choice community would argue that the abortion of a a fetus, the unaware potential child, is far better than the neglect and abuse of living, aware children. Abortion is the safety valve, as it were, to prevent this kind of nightmare. I wish that people who are unable or unwilling to care for a child would abstain from sex; but until the whole world gets on board with that concept, abortion must remain an option.
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Oh come on, what a load of crap. We have shelters for women, who often accuse their husbands of beating on them when in fact it is not true.
america is nothing but "lets get out of it" lets take no responsibility at all.
Ya know what jerk wads? The women shelters need to be closed, it should be illegal to divorce, once you make your choice, thats it. FOR LIFE.
Maybe then everyone will take more time and care into who they are about to marry instead of just running with the emotions and hopping into bed and spitting out at an alarming rate.
People are having kids who should not be having them, these kids grow up abused and neglected. All because americans, lazy fat assed selfish americans who are self absorbed and could care less about anything except how they feel at the given time, like that astronaut bitch who drove all the way to florida wearing diapers.
Maybe everyone needs to start learning how to make better decisions.
I see women who want the best wedding in the world, everything goes into the wedding, but what has gone into the relationship?
I vote for concentration camps, americans need to be taken away to them ASAP, you all deserve it for taking NO responsibility for your own actions.
Jerks!!!!
Richie
www.bikerdotcom.com
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